Friday, January 16, 2015

OTS: What To Pack

Packing for OTS is even more of a crap shoot than BMT, as there's really no list of what to bring.  The OTS website has two lists, including this one about pre-positioned items in your dorm room and this AAFES list of things to buy, which is aimed at non-prior service applicants.


My bags, ready to go!
Unlike with BMT, you have the option to drive to OTS (versus flying).  As a flyer, I was limited in what I could bring.  I opted to put everything in a backpack, a garment back, and my green BMT-issued duffle bag.  While it wasn't as convenient as having my car available for storage, it worked out fine.  Driving to OTS gives you the ability to stash items in your car until you need them, such as civilian clothing items, additional uniform items you don't want to have to roll and fold, as well as items that don't fit in your security drawer or under your sink.

With BMT there's a lot of talk about what kind of bag you should bring.  At OTS, that is out the window.  Feel free to bring a large rolling seatcase, or a bag in any color of your choosing.  It really doesn't matter at OTS.  You might choose to bring a bag of essential items and put the "nice to have" items in another bag to leave in the car.  There is no maximum number of bags you can, but be smart about it - you're going to have to lug them across the field.

Regardless of if you're a prior or a non-prior, upon arrival you'll be required to show two forms of payment for the items you're about to buy (whether you buy them or not).  I had one on me and then was told I had to go back and grab another.  They will also grill you as to whether you've called and told your bank that you are located in Alabama and about to spend $2000.  Whether you're buying everything or not, it's always a smart idea to call in this "vacation" notice with the bank so they don't put a hold on your card.  Side note, I love how the website tells you that if you can't afford to pay, get an AAFES Military Star Card.  It costs money to make money, right?  Just keep telling yourself that.

You will be charged for the pre-positioned items upon checking out at the mini-mall, whether you want them or think you need them.  This might be different down the road though, as our Student Squadron Commander was trying to see if we could reuse the hand-me-downs of previous OTs, versus requiring everyone to buy them.

The beauty of OTS is that you can have friends and family send you anything you need or you can hit up Amazon and have it shipped to you.  Unlike BMT, no one is checking your boxes or criticizing their contents. 

Read on for the laundry list!

AAFES In-Processing List  (a.k.a. Your Shopping/Packing List)
This is the list of items you'll need to buy at OTS (if you're a non-prior) or have on you if you're prior service.  I took this time to upgrade many of my items, and I purchased almost everything before going to OTS.  I did so because I didn't want to be pressured to buy on someone else's time and therefore be forced into sizes or items I wasn't comfortable with.  I'll explain along the way.  Also, please know that removing stripes off uniforms frequently results in unacceptable "shadows" from the thread holes.  Try as you may, you'll probably have to buy new shirts and jackets.

  • Duffle Bag - I brought one (my BMT one), and ended up buying a second so I could keep one perfect for display.  We took one to our field exercises, and I didn't want a dirty one on display.
  • Blues Belt
  • Sand Belt
  • Blue Tie or Tie Tab
  • Shirt Garters - The Y ones are my favorite.
  • U.S. Lapel Insignia - Remember to buy the officer ones.
  • Ribbon(s) and rack - Non-priors need a single National Defense one to start and a single ribbon rack, unless they get Marksman.  Some of the other OTs opted for thin ribbons, but I don't have enough to make that worthwhile at this point.  They look great though!
  • White Gloves - Wait and just buy them there, so you get the correct ones.  They are the cheap all-cotton with a metal snap on them.
  • Two pairs of ABUs - I upgraded to the lightweight ones, since I was there in the summer.  You might want to stash an older pair in the car for field exercises.  I didn't and it worked out fine.
  • Two short sleeve blue shirts - Ladies can choose between the regular and the princess cut.  For ease of wear, I went princess.  Just know that you'll have to tuck it in for parade or open ranks, regardless of the cut.  A male OT in my flight splurged on the iron/wrinkle-free ones and said they were money well spent.
  • One long sleeve blue shirt - I don't think we ever wore this when I was there.
  • Blue service coat - I bought mine before I left and had it tailored at my home base.  Prior to going to OTS, I was still able to get the alterations for free since I was still enlisted - insist on that!  Also, put your ribbon rack and insignia on before you leave.  Even if they make you take it off, the holes should still show.
  • Flight Cap - Make sure you get the officer one, which is pretty awesome to sport anyway.
  • Light weight blues jacket (Oct - Feb) - I didn't have to buy a new one, fortunately.  I'm hoping to salvage my old one.
  • Blues wool pants - These were the kind you were issued at BMT.
  • Blues poly pants - I had never worn these before, so they were new for me.
  • White v-neck t-shirts - Required for males, optional for females.
  • Two packs of sand t-shirts - I purchased Duke brand 50/50 poly cotton shirts and they were awesome for rolling - like a dream!
  • ABU cap - I ended up with three of these.  Have at least two, just in case, especially when you need to sew on rank in the end.
  • Four pairs of PT shirts/shorts - I opted to spring for the IPTUs for OTS, which were nice and comfy.  The shorts are a pain to fold though, just be ready.
  • PT jacket/pants - While this might sound unnecessary for the summer, I was so thankful I had them.  The dorms are freezing and I wore these as pajamas.  While IPTUs aren't cheap, this was money well spent.
  • ABU boots - There are no requirements here, so pick a pair that works for your feet, comfort, and budget.  Having two pairs helps in case one gets wet along the way.
  • Low quarters - You can choose to bring your dull BMT ones or corframs.  I upgraded to corframs, but my first pair was a total lemon.  Spend the extra $10 and get the nicer ones, trust me.
  • Sage green socks - Get comfy ones, you're going to want them.  Ditch those cheap BMT ones.
  • Black dress socks - I went for nicer ones here as well.  Socks are important, folks!
  • White crew socks - While the list says crew, the short ones are fine as well, although they are a pain to roll and make look nice.  Maybe bring a pair of crew and the rest short if you so prefer.  I rocked crew the entire time, BMT-style, pulled up!
  • Name Tags and Tapes - You'll get these at alterations if you don't already own them or have them sewn on.
  • Privilege Shirt - This is a rough, cheap cotton polo shirt you'll be required to wear until you're allowed to wear civilian clothes when going off base or out of the dorms.  It has an embroidered OTS logo and the name of your squadron on the sleeve.
  • Khaki Pants - Bring your own from home.  As long as they're professional looking, you're fine.
  • Brown Belt - Interestingly enough, the rules were changing while I was there and they said black belt and black privilege shoes.  However, we all had brown belts and shoes.  If you drive, do yourself a favor and have both in the car, ready to go.  A professional looking slip-on shoe will save you the heartache of having to tie them tightly for inspection.  Bring coordinating socks for those shoes, if you don't want to have to wear your black uniform socks.    

Optional Shoppette Items
These ones are up to you, and you can split some of them with your roommate(s).
  • Shower shoes - I didn't actually wear these in the shower, but eventually we wore them around the dorms.
  • Boot/shoe insoles - Your call.
  • Deodorant - Please.  Bring some.  You can also feel free to bring body spray, perfume, or cologne.
  • Shaving kit - Probably going to be necessary to be in compliance with AFI 36-2903, gentlemen.  Ladies, this isn't like BMT, you can shave whenever you please, as long as you have time.
  • Detergent - You can split this with your roomie, if you desire.  I ended up splurging on a fancy smelling one.  Again, simple pleasures.
  • Cotton balls/q-tips - Take them or leave them.
  • Dryer sheets - If you please.
  • Wrist watch with stopwatch - Yes, have some sort of watch, you'll want one.
  • Toothbrush/toothpaste - Don't leave home without it!  Just like BMT, the ones in the stand-up container are helpful for inspection.
  • Cough drops - Most OTs use them to stay awake in class, as opposed to soothing a sore throat.
  • Shampoo/body wash - Feel free to bring full sized bottles.  The rules are not as stringent here at OTS with making them look spotless while on display.
  • Pain/allergy medication - The Alabama allergies can get to some people, so you might want some meds if you're susceptible.  Bring pain meds for sure.  You're not at BMT anymore, Dorothy. 
  • Washcloth - Pass, seriously.  Another inspectable item.
  • Hand sanitizer - You might want some, especially if you're trying to avoid using your pre-positioned hand soap.
  • Lysol wipes - You'll want cleaning supplies for your room.  There are generally some in the supply closet on your floor, but you may end up buying some of your own.  You can share amongst your roommate(s).  Many people in my squadron also bought shower squeegees for fast clean-up.
  • Starch - There's usually some in the supply rooms, so I would hold off on buying a can.
  • Fabric softener - If you must, go for it.
  • Tide pens - Always handy while in blues!
  • Field wipes - You might want a pack, just in case.  We used ours often.
  • Hair accessories - Ladies, bring what you need to get your hair in compliance with AFI 36-2903.  The rules aren't nearly as strict as they were at BMT, but try to put some excellence into it.
  • Hygiene items - You have a lot more room at OTS than you did at BMT, so feel free to bring your own sunscreen, face wash, makeup, and any other hygiene items you might want.  Another OT and I even had essential oils in our belongings.
  • Undergarments - Just do it.  Bring compression shorts/spandex for your PT shorts while you're at it.
  • Eyeglasses strap - If you wear glasses, you will need these for certain activities.  You can certainly wear contacts the entire time as well, if you so choose.


Pre-Positioned Items

  • Armband ID Holder - You're going to get tired of wearing this thing, let me tell you.
  • Attache Case - I'm surprised I didn't see more of these in the trash by the end of OTS.  I tossed mine in the back of the closet.  You're going to also get sick of lugging this thing around.  Gone are the days of the satchel that attached to your canteen web belt that held your BMTSG.
  • Flashlight - A decent flashlight, in comparison to the Lackland Lasers.
  • Hangers - Total waste of your money, there are tons in the dorm storage rooms.
  • Large Rubbermaid - This is where you'll store excess items under your bathroom sink.  You could take it home with you, but if you fly like I did, you'll donate it.
  • Laundry Bag - Pretty straight forward.
  • Mesh Bag - Yes, these again.
  • Liquid Hand Soap - The AAFES store brand version of Dial Gold, in a bottle with no pump.  I ditched this as soon as I could and replaced it with a real pump hand soap.  It's the little things!
  • Lock - I never used mine after I finally got a Speed Lock [more on those later].
  • Lint Roller - This is on the list, but we had to buy ours separately.  Very odd.
  • Plastic Cup - Practically for display purposes only, initially, although you'll use it for drinks and coffee in the dorms down the line.
  • Squadron Reflective Belts - You'll wear this thing out, let me tell you.
  • White Towels - These weren't prepositioned for us, at least that I remember.  Make sure you acquire at least three of these.  One in your drawer that you never touch, one on the bar you never touch, and one that you actually use.  Don't bother with a washcloth, it's just one more inspectable item.
  • Small Rubbermaid - You'll use these for snacks and your uniform accouterments.
  • Prop and Wings - You'll get these...eventually.  Gotta earn 'em first!
  • Watch Cap (Oct - Feb) - I was there during the summer, although I wished I had one because the dorms are freezing.
  • Black Hydration Pack - Affectionately called "juice bags" in our class.  This thing will be permanently attached to your back.


Additional Items to Bring/Buy
The following items are based on my experience and general practices observed while at OTS.  If you drive, the sky truly is the limit, so feel free to stash it in your trunk if you think you might want it.  We had people who brought their GoPros, expensive camera equipment, frisbees, etc.  I even saw an upperclassman with a foam roller in his civilian luggage, which was just genius.

  • Study materials - Index cards, notebook, pens, pencils, highlighters, etc.  Whatever you need to study, bring it.  Taking notes in class, either on your computer or pen and paper, will help keep you awake.
  • Ruler - For correctly setting up your uniforms.
  • Clear packing tape - You'll use this to "laminate" your HAWK and OTSMAN, two books you'll be required to have on your person at all times.
  • Sharpies - A black and a silver, to mark things if you so desire.  Marking wasn't as common at OTS as it was at BMT.
  • Scissors - They come in handy, but you could split a pair with your roommate(s).
  • Laptop - Ideally a lightweight one, as you'll end up carrying it everywhere in your attache.  You need a computer while at OTS, as everything is done through Blackboard.  If it's not in the budget, they do have some computers you can borrow, but you're going to probably want your own.  Make sure you have the Microsoft Office suite loaded, with Word, Excel, and Powerpoint.
  • Printer - This is optional, but something for you to consider.  Most all academics are conducted paperlessly, via Blackboard, but I still ended up printing out schedules, practice tests, study guides, and various decorative items (door placards, desk placards) early on.  HP sells a $30 no-frills ink jet that is great for this purpose and served me well, although I did borrow a friend's scanner at one point.
  • Flash drive - You'll want one when the internet is slow and you need to send a document on to someone else.
  • Hot Spot - The internet is notoriously horrible in the dorms, and it can be a problem when assignments are due.  You might consider a hot spot for your cell phone.  I sucked it up and it was doable, but many grew frustrated and tethered their phones.  Remember to password protect it so you don't have any leeches!
  • Lighter - You're allowed to have a lighter at OTS, and these are so convenient for burning off threads on uniforms, versus cutting everything.  It really speeds up the process!
  • Pillow - Depending on how high maintenance you are, you might want to bring your own pillow.  Plenty of people did it, I had no problems sleeping without mine.
  • Civilian clothes - Once you're finally allowed to wear them in the end, you'll want them.  I ended up having to go to the BX and buy things to wear because I was tired of what little I had with me.
  • Headphones - You'll want them in the dorms and in the classroom.
  • Snacks - Bars of some sort are great to have in your room.  Times will arise when you are starving and need more food, or when your cold MRE is just impossible to choke down.  A male OT in my flight was consuming a few protein bars a day to supplement his diet.  Mio or another liquid beverage enhancer was also a nice to have item for relaxing at the end of the day.  Just remember that until you receive permission, they can't be caffeinated.


37 comments:

Heather said...

As I am working on my DAC package, I'm enjoying reading your posts of OTS. Thank you!

Erin said...

@Heather - You are so very welcome!

Ashely Wilson said...

Hi Erin I am also a reservist and following you since I went to BMT. I am currently on maternity leave and don't return to UTA until May. Do you know if a masters degree is required for healthcare professionals to commission? I plan to go through DACP also. Thank you so much you've kept me inspired.

Erin said...

@Ashely Wilson - I don't believe so. Are you going into admin? How is maternity leave going? Hope all is well!

Ashely Wilson said...

I found out today that it's not required and yes I am my degree will be in Healthcare Admin. I am not due to graduate til spring 17 but I'm glad I read your post on DACP I had heard of the program at the last commanders call we had but couldn't rememer the name. Maternity leave is going good I return to my normal job tomorrow and have been power pumping all week. Having a little separation anxiety but I'll be ok. How was graduation? How's your new job? Oh and how did your baby girl respond when you came back?

Erin said...

@Ashely Wilson - Definitely jump on the DACP program and get it going as soon as possible. You might even be able to start that process before you complete your degree (obviously everything would be contingent on completion).

Yay for power pumping! Remember that you only need to be one day ahead. Have you been checking out KellyMom.com or the Breastfeeding In Combat Boots page on FB? Those are two of my favorites for IBCLC advice. Graduation was a great moment, and I was glad to get out of there! My new position has gone really well so far, and I'm looking forward to further training this spring/summer. My daughter didn't resume BFing when I returned (and I didn't end up pushing it), but didn't have any issues readjusting to me when I came back.

Ashely Wilson said...

Your right I spoke to my training monitor at my unit and she said I can get the package and start going over it making it as good as possible, than I'll submit it once I've completed all credits and can obtain an official transcript. Was your family at graduation? How did OTS compare to BMT? Oh what did it feel like the first time someone saluted you? Also do you have the option to get on order like a ART as a officer? Sorry so many questions its just information is so limited

Erin said...

@Ashely Wilson - Good, glad to hear! My father and brother were at my graduation, but not my husband and daughter. I haven't had the chance to compare BMT versus OTS too much, but I'm hoping to do more blog posts while I'm down at LRO school. That first salute was a proud one because mine came from a good friend from BMT, my old EC monitor who lives locally to Maxwell. ART positions are available for officers, but they're not as prevalent at the lower ranks, it seems. I have options for orders for seasoning upon return from tech school.

Courtney said...

Erin, your posts have helped me TREMENDOUSLY in preparing for OTS! I just have a few questions (and apologize If they are on the site somewhere and I overlooked them)
- I am prior service, do we need to have our enlisted job badge sewn on ABUs before arrival?
- should I have my blues/service dress pressed and dry cleaned before arrival? I don't want to waste the time if it's just going to get dirty and wrinkled.
- can we have an iron/ board in our dorm room? If so, is it worth it to have one?

Thank you in advance!

- Courtney

Erin said...

@Courtney - So glad they've been of use! Are you in the May class date? I have two individuals from my Wing heading that way too! It's likely I haven't addressed your questions yet in a blog post, so here goes:

1. You don't *have* to, but I did. They're going to know or already know that you're a prior, so you might as well rock it. The flyers have to regardless, so you'll see them.
2. I did, and I had all of my insignia on it already, including the new officer US emblems, but no gold bars. All ribbons, badges, and name tag. You already picked up new items, right? Those shadow stripes are a killer and the new service coat is a must.
3. Yes, you will have one in your room, so there's no need to bring one. Each floor has as a supply closet that should have additional irons, boards, and probably spray starch as well.

Best of luck to you!

Jeremy Emerson said...

Erin, thanks so much for the info, wish I had found it sooner! I'm AD and headed to OTS next month and have just a few quick questions.

1. How big is the attaché? Honestly I just want to know if my laptop is too large to fit in it, it's a 19". If so, what is the largest laptop you would recommend?

2. Did everyone get the AF embroidery on their lightweight blues jacket? The reporting instructions specifically say to have one w/o it, but I figured it's because they can't force you to have it sewn on. I only ask because I have one in great shape but it has the AF embroidery, and I can't get another one right away because my clothing sales and AAFES are back ordered.

That's it for now, but I may have more later. Thanks Again!

Erin said...

@Jeremy Emerson - I can measure my attaché for you, but if you have a massive (gaming or otherwise) laptop, I would nix it. You'll be lugging this thing around a lot, possibly even double timing, so the lighter the better. You could always bring it down and leave it in the room and borrow one of theirs. As for the jacket, I have a feeling the no-embroidery was for the privilege uniform wear, and since that's been done away with, you SHOULD be okay to have it, but again, you'd find out for sure down there. My philosophy was to bring something and worst case scenario, buy a new one. Have you checked it for shadow stripes though? Big faux pas. Good luck!

Thaey said...

When you flew you checked a bag, correct? I'm trying to figure out what to pack, for example full size shampoo, as I'll be flying. The liquids would have to be in a checked bag, of course.

Erin said...

@Thaey - I did, I checked a military duffle bag and a garment bag. If you check the bags, you can take full sized products.

Chase said...

Erin, I am hoping to attend OTS soon with a selection by the Air National Guard. My question is concerning laptops. I am a big fan of Mac computers for my personal use, but I understand that the military almost exclusively uses PCs. Did you have, or do you know of any others who had, a Mac laptop during OTS? Did you or they experience any problems or difficulties? I am planning on purchasing a new Macbook for myself and would hate to do so and then turn around and have to purchase a Windows laptop just for OTS. Thank you!

Erin said...

Hey Chase! I am an Apple person as well, and brought my MBP to OTS. It works out just fine, unless you have to do any awards. If that happens, you can borrow someone else's PC or the laptops they have there for check-out. Other than that, no issues. Make sure you have Microsoft Office too, for formatting everything else.

Unknown said...

Hi I'm actually about to take the AFOQT and my recruiter has been pretty vague at answering certain things. If no one minds I'd like to post some of my questions here.
1) once you get your test scores back (~10days) how long does it take to go to MEPs?
2) At MEPs what exactly do they do, test you for or on?
3) I'm doing the Insanity work outs in order to prep for BOTs. Is this aa good idea? I don't know how crazy it will be and I'm not a fan of surprises.
4)Is it really a no caffeine thing?
5) what are the dorm situations like? Is it 2 per room? Co-ed?
6) Does anyone know what this is like for women just entering the Air Force as an officer?

I appreciate the help in advance!

Erin said...

@Unknown - Here you go!
1. Not sure. That'll depend on how quickly they make your appointment and everyone's schedules. I'm a little bit different, since I'm a Reservist and was already in, so I just did my physical at my unit.
2. The should be doing a full flight physical (whether you'll be a pilot or not), so expect an EKG, lots of bloodwork, etc.
3. Couldn't hurt, right? I would also make running a big component of your training. It's 60% of our PT scores.
4. Yep. You have to earn that privilege. Start weaning now.
5. Two per room, possibly three, but mixed genders on the floor. We had males right next door/across the way. Not surprisingly, if you were intermixed in a room, the door had to be open. Each dorm room has its own bathroom, so no common bathroom.
6. Can you be more specific? You can also ask for people's perspective on airforceots.com, in their forum.

Good luck to you!

Sybil Loraine said...

So glad I found this now! Thank you!

Ben said...

Do you remember where people stored their pillows that they brought with them during inspection? I'm in my first week in DET12 and it doesn't mention anything about those extra items. Some things have changed though, like we can't have snacks so there is now an empty drawer with nothing in it.

Erin said...

Glad to help, Sybil!

Erin said...

Their luggage, typically, or they got rid of their issued/borrowed pillow and kept their "good" one.

Sorry to hear they nixed the snacks.

Ben said...

Yea, I assumed having my own would go against the whole standardization with it being different. But, if it's in luggage it can't be used which defeats the purpose of bringing it in. The "pillow" they issued is just a small amount of clumped up stuffing in a liner. I was hoping to use mine so just wondered. Thanks

Erin said...

@Ben - Standardization for us didn't take it that far. The beds just had to be made the same way - no was checking to ensure your pillow was the same level of fluffy. :) Hope that helps!

k said...

What is a speed lock?

Erin said...

@k - It's a time of combination lock that uses directional movement of a button rather than numbers. Super easy to get into quickly.

Unknown said...

Hello Erin, are you able to bring supplements, like multivitamins? Thanks for the info!

Erin said...

@Unknown - Yes! Bring them! Nothing with caffeine though, until you've earned the privilege. B12 was a popular one.

Justin Zirwes said...

I am leaving on Sunday for OTS and am flying, my question is in regards to the extra clothes and luggage.
1. Is there a place to store the luggage that you bring or do you have to keep it in your room somewhere?
2. Do you need to bring the blues, long, rain coat we were issued at BMT?
3. Is it helpful to bring a 3rd set of ABU's since i will not be able to store anything in a car?
4. Do you really need Wool and Polyester blues pants? or can you get away with having the Poly/Wool blend?
5. Is there a place to store civilian clothes?

Thank you,

Justin

Erin said...

@Justin Zirwes, (1) There's a luggage room for such items. It is kept locked and access is limited. (2) Nope, no rain coat! Only the stuff on the list. (3) Nope, I had two sets of ABUs and did just fine. I also didn't have a car there. (4) Yes, the wool/poly blend ones are the ones you wear with service dress, and the 100% polyesters look and feel differently. The different is noticeable. (5) Yes, in your luggage, but not in your room. You will hang out in PT gear most of the time, especially in the beginning. Good luck to you!

Justin Zirwes said...

Erin thank you for the quick reply.

Couple additional questions when you have a moment.

1) Is there a place in your room to store additional sand T's, socks, PT clothes, and other daily uniform items that you dont want prepared for inspection?

2) On the arrival day can you recall what paperwork items were essential to be carried with you? I know copies of your orders, probably medical records, CAC card, but i couldn't track down a list of what else to have with me.

Erin said...

@Justin Zirwes - Not really. You might be able to stash a couple items in your laundry bag, but not a huge amount. Is the list of documents not on the OTS website? If you're a non-prior, everything you need to put the family in DEERS (birth certificates), copies of transcripts, CAC, medical records from your unit, orders, etc. Have lots of copies of your orders, naturally.

Caitie RN said...
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Caitie RN said...

Hi I am going to COT in January and was wondering if you thought getting uniforms early, sewn, and tailored were the way to go. If so, where do you get your uniforms ahead of time and the work done? Also, with recommending running shoes...where did you go to get fitted running shoes? THANKS!

Erin said...

@Caitie RN - Have you reached out to militarymorgan.com yet? She has a FB page under the same name as well. I don't tailor any of my uniforms, but I'm not active duty. As for getting them early, if you live near a base, yes, but if not, wait. You can go ahead and sew early, since you already know what rank you're going to be (and you assume it immediately). Most dry cleaning businesses near a base will do it, as well as the alterations place near clothing sales on base. I got fitted for running shoes at a local running store. If you have them, it's ideal, although I hear that some sporting goods stores do it as well.

Dan said...

Ma'am, when you suggest a lightweight laptop would an older model MacBook Pro be too heavy to lug around all day? Also, in regards to headphones, are we talking ear buds, over the ear, or whatever works for the individual? Thank you for all of the valuable information.

Erin said...

@Dan - I have a 2009 MBP and it was heavier, but manageable. What you don't want is a huge (19"+) gaming laptop. I would keep the headphones smaller, for when you're in the flight room, but it's whatever works for you. Beats or something larger might be a bit too big for the attache.